I dont think the satan character is responsible for any other than Jobs children according the bable
oz
jonno12225 posted earlier that god was resposable for some 25 million deaths of men women children and babys in the bible.. my first question is how many innocent deaths is satan responsible for, in the bible ?..
my second question is in genisis 8 21 god said "never again shall i call down evil upon the ground on mans account".. seems to me this god is capable of great evil, by his own admission, blatantly lies, (whats this big a all about) and is sooooo hypocritical, what makes some one devote there whole life to such a god ?????..
from the outside looking in.. amo.
I dont think the satan character is responsible for any other than Jobs children according the bable
oz
15 one brother who was raised in a christian household wrote that for as long as he could remember, he struggled with homosexual tendencies.
he said: i always felt awkward.
it seemed that i didnt fit in anywhere.
Bella15...why? ''you have to pray away those urges'' ...
Why do gay people have to do that?
Oz
my philosophy when i was a teenager :"those who admit to it are stupid ,those who deny it are liars" that was my response to peers who posed such a subject when i was a teen .now, being a mature aged person i think this subject could do with a bit more enlightened content.. i am a male so i can`t speak for the females ,who, i hope will give their input on this topic for discussion.and i mean it as a serious discussion.. males experience erections from the time they are babies and the natural thing to do is to hold it , and before you know it fondling it gives you releif.. society doesnt help by making you feel guilty and like shit as a dirty person.why in the world do babes ,young children ,young boys get erections before they even know what it`s function is for.
if a god designed sex for procreation then surely this wouldnt become an issue until they reached the age of puberty ,not when a male is still a baby.. and getting back to my op nowhere in the bible does it talk about masturbation which surely has been going on since adam was a boy/man.. i`m sorry, but to deny that you would have to be a complete idiot ,imbecile ,fool ,or just brain dead.. so for 4000 years of inspired scriptures from god ,nothing is said about a condition that effects every man from his birth to his death .. makes you wonder doesn`t it ?.
smiddy.
perfect cult control
from late childhood, instill a deep rooted sense of self loathing, then introduce the 'solution', ie; the cult solution to the self loathing that leaves the person still self loathing but just functional enough to serve the leader in the vain hope of absolution.
Oz
petra, do you have the 1989 january 1, watchtower single issue and the bound volume issue?
reply: please hold a sec.... yes, he has both issues put together in a pdf you can download.
when you get to the download page there will be a link in a box with an arrow pointing down.
At the end of 1989, early 1990, Lore
oz
we'll see how long this lasts.... i'll write a chapter each day.
every day.. when there is nothing left to say.....it is over.. it could end up being a book nobody will every read.
or, it might be read by a few and it might mean something to somebody.
and through it all, Nathan H Knorr ate and slept like a king
oz
the plan: the wt corp turns 200 billion dollar $ assets, property, stock, investment, into cash, then sends a check to every member, men women and baptized children.
these people are 7 million in number and now each get a check for $30,000 x 7 million = $200 billion.
the governing body quietly leaves town.
and then you awoke from the dream...
Oz
it looks like you are in the first stages of waking up.. you have been shocked to the core by getting disfellowshipped, what for does not really matter here.
you came to voice your feelings then die, you have voiced the feelings and then hung in there.
i am sure many are very proud of you for that, i am.. now, your thoughts of survival are turned towards your loved one, will it work?, ''i'm a jw and he is not''.... fisrt up, you are now, not a jehovah's witness.
It looks like you are in the first stages of waking up.
You have been shocked to the core by getting disfellowshipped, what for does not really matter here. You came to voice your feelings then die, you have voiced the feelings and then hung in there. I am sure many are very proud of you for that, i am.
Now, your thoughts of survival are turned towards your loved one, will it work?, ''I'm a JW and he is not''...
Fisrt up, you are now, NOT a jehovah's Witness. They removed you. While you were a JW this site and the inforation is holds were forbidden, now they are not. Think about that.
The things you need to concern yourself with now that you are not a JW, (and even if you want to go right back 'IN". you are not able to. You have to prove to men that you are sorry for being normal). NOW is the time, before you go too deep with your man, to work out if you are going to become a JW again or not. Do not do that to him AFTER getting married.
You would be wise to start a systematic investigation of the Watchtower Bible and Tract society and the people called jehovahs witnesses. Do your homework. What do you know about 1919? Why does the WT have so many 'suggested' dates for Armageddon in its past? Where did CT RUssell get his ideas from? Who was William Miller? what is the 607 bce debate about? Why are the Muslims and the Jehovahs Witnesses co-hosting talks at the OSCE? How many times has the teaching on sodom and gormorah chaged? What is a flip flop? Can a murderer stay in good standing? what is the two witness rule? How can closing bethel homes be evidence of gods blessing? Explain the newest generation teaching, why is 'new light' not from the bible?
It is NOT enough to get all excited about being out and still hold onto the notion that 'they have the truth'. The problem with that is although you might spend 20 years out of the religion, while you still hold the notion of them being right, you are at risk of going back in at the first crises life throws at you. If you choose to stay OUT of the religion, you must learn whether they have the real truth or not. if they do, go back, if they don't, stay out.
My children are safe for now, I have rescued them from the claws of the Watchtower. I say for now, because the next part of their education (16 and 19) needs to be understanding the real truth about the 'truth' so they will never get the notion to look for answers to any future crisis in the Jehovah's Witnesses.
For the sake of your man and yourself, do your homework BEFORE you marry him.
All the best on what may be the most epic journey of your life. (not being married, but waking up)
Oz
watchtower cult shuts down websites to coverup pedophilia letters.. http://www.cyberwarzone.com/watchtower-cult-shuts-down-websites-coverup-pedophilia-letters.
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bangalore.
Or just last year behind bethel headquarters the brothers were made to tear the red covers off the live forever in paradise book and the paper was going to a recycle manufacturer
LOL! gives real meaning to the term we use form time to time here: LITRATRASH
Oz
i recently read an interesting thread (is there a 'third' way to leave?
) that talked about fading instead of being df'd or da'd.
i myself had planned to fade, but was df'd instead.
I think it would be interesting for you to find out, but it wont change anything.
You could have been accused of apostasy or adultery by the husband and father, you were not on hand to make a defence, held as guilty in absence, guilt by not turning up... they do this because they are a kangaroo court, a law unto themselves.
Oz
yes, i said "still"..
No, I function just fine. never been more functional as a human being than now.
Oz